Chief of the Defence Intelligence of Ukraine, Lieutenant General Kyrylo Budanov, gave an interview to Serhii Zhadan for "Radio Khartiia".

They discussed the processes taking place inside russia, compared them to the situation a century ago, and reflected on the role of the leader in russian realities, using the examples of yevgeny prigozhin and vladimir lenin.

"At one point, a person appears and says, "This is all wrong, we need to do something different." It has to be an authoritative person in whom people will believe. And all the people around who were saying that "putin is our tsar" or in 1917 simply "our tsar" started shouting: "Let's go to Moscow!". The same people, on the same day. These are the mental peculiarities of society in russia: they love their leader, but if another leader appears, they will love the other one, no problem. But he has to appear," said Kyrylo Budanov.

During the conversation, the head of military intelligence distinguished the joint actions of the servicemen of the 13th Brigade of the National Guard "Khartiia" and the Defence Intelligence of Ukraine in the Kharkiv region.

"The forestry is pushing the enemy, they have basically driven them out of the forest. This is a small step, but it has been made. That's what's important: step by step, we will get ours back," said Kyrylo Budanov.